Friday, 2009-04-24

../irclogs/#mantishelp.2009-04-24.log
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dhx_mhi harpreet_singh... you need to read the manual :)01:09
mantisbotNew bug: Bug 10393 - prabhurangan - open - new05:35
mantisbotNew bug: Problem in 'Manage_user_page.php' ? - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1039305:35
mantisbotNew bug: Bug 10394 - karthisudar - open - new06:46
mantisbotNew bug: test - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1039406:46
mantisbotNew bug: Bug 10395 - karthisudar - open - new06:46
mantisbotNew bug: test - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1039506:46
mantisbotNew bug: Bug 10396 - karthisudar - open - new06:46
mantisbotNew bug: test - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1039606:46
mantisbotNew bug: Bug 10397 - karthisudar - open - new06:51
mantisbotNew bug: test - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1039706:51
mantisbotNew bug: Bug 10398 - karthisudar - open - new06:56
mantisbotNew bug: test - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1039806:56
giallusigh07:25
harpreet_singhhi07:42
mantisbotNew bug: Bug 10399 - prabhurangan - open - new08:31
mantisbotNew bug: Bug_change_Status_page.php many text string are missing? - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1039908:31
dhx_mhi08:32
dhx_mcan u plz installz mantiz 4 me? :p08:33
harpreet_singhsure.. once I managed to install my one08:39
AndyHI'n currently using Microsoft SQL server, and want to start my Bug_ID's starting from 100010:25
AndyHI've used mySQl, with myphpadmin, and changed one of the bugs to be a higher ID number fine, and then Mantis carries on issuing bug numbers from 1000+10:25
AndyHbut in MS SQL it doesn't give the user the option to change the ID colum, it's all greyed out. I've tried using the MS SQL Query Analyzer and myMSadmin but they both won't let my access the ID colum10:26
AndyHIs there anything I can do to start my bug ID numbers starting from 1000+10:27
gialludhx_m, too subtle...10:27
AndyH:S10:30
AndyH(Presuming that's no in answer to my query :P)10:30
AndyHDoes anyone use MS SQL?10:31
gialluAndyH, paul_ is your man10:38
AndyHOk, how do I get in contact with paul_?10:38
giallukeep staying here... he can't hide that long10:39
AndyH:) kool, thank you! I thought I had a few days or weeks to get this server, up and running, but my boss wants it up in a few hours! ahh! :)10:39
AndyHI'll wait around for Paul_  , if anyone else knows his email address i'd love to know :)10:41
AndyH(Cheers)10:41
gialluAndyH, he replies regularly on mantis-dev mantis-help mailing lists, shouldn't be hard to find out...10:43
gialluAndyH, anyway, AFAIK MSSQL support should be fine, but on 1.2 only10:43
mantisbotNew bug: Bug 10400 - ut0pik - open - new10:52
mantisbotNew bug: Closing possibility for reporters - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1040010:52
AndyHgiallu - A MySQL guru from my end has come up with a solution to my issue, so I won't need to contact Paul_, but that's for you're time :)11:20
nuclear_eclipsemorning all12:27
mantisbotNew bug: Bug 10401 - cmattmiller - open - new13:43
mantisbotNew bug: Email link is broken - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1040113:43
[KK]KirillHi, John13:57
[KK]KirillCan you take this issue?13:58
[KK]Kirillbug 1014413:58
mantisbotBug 10144 - Kirill - open - new13:58
mantisbotNot correctly show project on My View - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1014413:58
[KK]KirillI don't undestand from what side I must solve this issue13:59
nuclear_eclipse[KK]Kirill: that problem stems from legacy behaviors that were affected by the move to the new category system, and just hasn't yet been resolved in a clean way.14:03
[KK]Kirill:(14:03
dhx_mgiallu: haha14:12
[KK]Kirillnuclear_eclipse: in what release it will be?14:12
nuclear_eclipseI don't know14:12
[KK]Kirillnot in 1.2.0?14:12
nuclear_eclipseI don't know14:12
[KK]Kirillok14:12
gialludhx_m, :P14:13
dhx_mhi :)14:13
gialluhi14:13
nuclear_eclipsehi dhx_m, giallu14:13
gialluhi john14:13
giallunuclear_eclipse, how went the barcamp?14:13
nuclear_eclipseit was great until my turn to presen14:13
nuclear_eclipset14:13
dhx_mhi now can you plz tell me how to install mantis 0.1 on my windows ftp server? :p14:13
gialluah14:13
* nuclear_eclipse smacks dhx_m 14:13
dhx_mI stuffed his presentation up by breaking all his use cases14:14
nuclear_eclipsemy presentation was a trainwreck of problems, starting with my laptop not working with the projector, and then having problems with SQL errors during the demo, even though I had rehearsed the demo twice beforehand.... :(14:14
gialluI blame ubuntu for that14:16
gialluyou should use a real distro14:16
nuclear_eclipselol14:16
giallu:D14:16
nuclear_eclipseI blame Intel for the new drivers in Jaunty14:16
nuclear_eclipseit used to work perfectly every time, mirroring to the projector without having to do anything but restart X11, but now it doesn't seem to work right all the time... =\14:17
giallunuclear_eclipse, tbh, you should really try F11, intel is actaully doing fun stuff, but in Fedora we are months ahead14:17
nuclear_eclipseI would use Fedora, except I just don't like the RedHat way of doing a lot of system things, and Yum bugs the crap out of me14:18
twolfyhi14:18
nuclear_eclipsehello14:18
giallunuclear_eclipse, you can always resolve dependencies with paper and pencil...14:18
nuclear_eclipselol14:18
nuclear_eclipseI just like the way apt works far better than yum14:19
dhx_mI do that all the time :)14:19
dhx_mexcept I prefer to use stone tablets and a chisel14:19
dhx_mit is more permanent14:19
twolfywhile hacking today on mantis - I saw that you aren't using any kind of objects14:19
twolfyonly direct function-calls14:19
nuclear_eclipsetwolfy: we do in some places :P14:19
twolfyoh okay :)14:19
twolfyso you are not "against" OOP?14:20
dhx_mI guess you could argue that OO isn't always the best option (performance wise) when loading data from backends?14:20
nuclear_eclipseno, just working with a codebase that started ten years ago.. :P14:20
dhx_mie. you'd have to load ALL bug data, not just the stuff you need to use on each page14:20
* twolfy needs OOP, it reduces complexity a lot14:20
twolfyI love it and everything I develop is written within OOP14:21
nuclear_eclipseI would argue that OOP generally *adds* complexity, but sometimes hides it depending on the use of OOP14:21
giallutwolfy, we're not against14:21
twolfyokay - fine14:21
gialluwe just happen to have a lot of legacy code14:21
twolfybecause I implemented a Template-class which extends the smarty-one14:21
gialluwritten around php3 maybe...14:21
nuclear_eclipsebut yes, I'm not against OOP, just against complex implementations14:21
twolfyfor mantis needs - brb14:21
dhx_mI don't personally see the need for templating, unless it actually does something new14:22
dhx_mwe'd simply be separating code from html... which is good and bad at the same time14:22
dhx_mand one of the problems I've seen with other templating systems is that you can't tell the template loader which variables you want to make use of14:23
twolfydhx_m, it would support a cleaner code-design14:23
dhx_mtwolfy: possibly... but it'd also make it harder to map html output to your code14:24
twolfyhm, the controler should decide which variables are available to the template-system14:24
nuclear_eclipseoh lord, the MVC argument again...14:24
twolfyit's a lot easier to "just push your data" to the template system and not to carry about "design and printing"14:25
dhx_m:)14:25
twolfy:)14:25
nuclear_eclipsemoving to MVC would basically require rewriting Mantis from the ground up; let's please not go there again....14:25
dhx_mwouldn't it be better to just make better use of CSS styling on top of what we've already got?14:26
twolfyand never ever touch your core-codebase again?14:26
nuclear_eclipseas it is, I think the separation of API from page logic is perfectly usable as it is, and adding templates is simply a "nicety" to allow easier customization of the overall output...14:26
dhx_mbut you're still highly limited with the suggested approach here14:27
twolfyand to provide different kinds of output14:27
dhx_myour code is still essentially dictating what each page will contain14:27
twolfylike rss / html / xml etc.14:27
dhx_mso you may as well just have pluggable stylesheets into the existing Mantis codebase14:28
dhx_mand change the html so it works better with css14:28
nuclear_eclipsedhx_m: I think perhaps the biggest argument for "templates" of some sort is for easier hiding and rearrangment of fields14:28
dhx_mnuclear_eclipse: I would argue that it is better for Mantis to handle that automatically, based on which fields you've turned on/off14:29
dhx_mnuclear_eclipse: you don't want to be running queries for data that doesn't exist... or that you aren't going to actually display14:29
nuclear_eclipsewell, I would agree14:30
twolfyhmm, a template system also provides output-centralisation, and therefor a faster overview where to look at if you like to modify something withing your html-page or rss-feeds14:34
nuclear_eclipsewell, assuming you're familiar enough with the code, it's not really that difficult anyways, since the majority of API output is in html_api or print_api14:34
twolfyand bug_view.php and so on14:35
nuclear_eclipsewell, those are the pages themselves14:35
dhx_mmwilliams has a branch on mantisforge that has started work on this14:35
twolfyit's hard for external developers14:35
nuclear_eclipsetwolfy: you don't need to argue that templates are a good idea, we're generally onboard with that; we just don't feel it's as important as the other things we are trying to get implemented...14:37
twolfyokay :)14:37
nuclear_eclipseand Mantis has a very small dev team with very limited time14:37
nuclear_eclipseso we'd rather spend our time working on bug fixes and features than a templating system that will require changing everything about how Mantis works....14:38
dhx_malthough Mantis does use git... so feel free to start coding :D14:44
twolfyI'm already on it dhx_m :)14:44
nuclear_eclipsetwolfy: I suggest setting up on http://git.mantisforge.org if you haven't already...14:45
dhx_myep, that way you can get feedback easily from developers here :)14:47
dhx_mI would check out what mwilliams was doing though14:48
Billhello everyone16:04
BillI have been evaluating 1.2.0a3 and I noticed that there is an import plugin available, does anyone know if there is documentation regarding this plugin?16:05
sidhgreetings16:11
sidhdoes the 1.1.7version has the search engine improvement of the alpha ?16:11
gialluBill, I'm the guilty one16:13
giallusidh, don't think so16:13
sidhoh sh...16:14
sidhsorry16:14
Billwhy are you guilty? lol16:14
sidhi'm waiting for more than one year and a half for offering that improvement to my users16:15
Billimporting issues?16:15
darynsidh which improvement?  speed?16:16
Billthe latest version has a plugin that looks nice but I have found no description of the format of the xml import file and what ID Tags should be used to makeit compatible16:16
sidhdaryn: the non case sensitive search16:16
sidhand better performance yes16:17
BillI currently have Test Trak running and I can export to XML but I cannot import it into  Mantisbt 1.2.0a316:17
Billdoes anyone know if there is documentation regarding the import issues plugin or the definition of the XML Schema?16:20
darynsidh...sorry looks like no on performance. not sure on the non case sensitive search.16:24
sidhdo you know when the alpha will be RC'ed or stabe ?16:26
sidhstable16:26
darynnot really. developers haven't been available16:26
Billhey daryn16:29
darynhi16:30
Billhope all is well, any idea on my question about import issues?16:30
darynno. giallu wrote that and i've not looked at it at all.16:30
Billok I appreciate your answer talk to you later!16:31
Billgiallu are you listening?16:31
gialluBill, now16:32
Billok I am going to lunch I'll check back later!16:32
gialluI'm guilty becasue I did not write nay docs for that plugin16:32
gialluanyway, there is a DTD for the xml16:32
giallunow shutting down pc16:33
giallulater16:33
Billwhere is that located?16:33
gialluin the root directory of the package IIRC16:34
giallumantis.dtd or something16:34
Billok great thanks!16:34
giallu /plugins/XmlImportExport/mantis.dtd16:35
BillI got it16:36
Billthanks16:36
Billbye everyone keep up the good work!!!!16:36
dhx_mwow... someone who knows how to ask for help! :)16:38
nuclear_eclipsedhx_m: we get a few bright bulbs every once in a while...17:00
dhx_mit's a pity they don't stay ;)17:02
nuclear_eclipseit only takes four clicks to get from Wikipedia's article on MantisBT to the articel on Hitler...17:02
dhx_mhah17:03
dhx_mdoes it show the list of links to do that?17:03
nuclear_eclipsehttp://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~mu/cgi-bin/shortpath.cgi?from=Mantis+Bug+Tracker&to=Hilter17:03
nuclear_eclipseit only takes five clicks for the other way, too :P17:04
nuclear_eclipsehttp://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~mu/cgi-bin/shortpath.cgi?from=Hilter&to=Mantis%20Bug%20Tracker17:04
dhx_mah, catch-all years like "2003" really help17:04
dhx_malso that Hitler is the municipality in Germany?17:04
dhx_mhttp://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~mu/cgi-bin/shortpath.cgi?from=Mantis+Bug+Tracker&to=Adolf+Hitler17:05
nuclear_eclipseonly three clicks from Mantis to Kittens :P17:05
nuclear_eclipsehow does Nazism link to Open Source?17:06
dhx_mFebruary 25th ;)17:06
nuclear_eclipsenot on http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~mu/cgi-bin/shortpath.cgi?from=Adolf Hitler&to=Mantis Bug Tracker17:07
dhx_munless they use old data17:07
nuclear_eclipsethey do, but it makes me wonder how it used to link :P17:08
dhx_mie. their database dump was taken at the time vandalism was on the page17:08
dhx_mi've got to go for now17:11
dhx_mwill be around later17:11
dhx_mcya17:11
nuclear_eclipsebye17:11
nuclear_eclipsewb17:19
nuclear_eclipseyou missed the shenanigans17:19
nuclear_eclipsehttp://www.mantisforge.org/irclogs/%23mantishelp.2009-04-24.log.html#t17:0217:20
mantisbotNew bug: Bug 10402 - nrbrown - open - new18:09
mantisbotNew bug: Can't download attachments with IE - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1040218:09
harpreet_singhhi18:18
harpreet_singhI am trying to do fresh install of Mantis Version 1.1.718:19
harpreet_singhduring the http://ctlmantis.ctl.creaf.com/mantis/admin/install.php page18:20
harpreet_singhAttempting to connect to database as admin  I am getting an error18:20
harpreet_singhi.e. BAD Does administrative user have access to the database? ( Access denied for user18:20
harpreet_singh'root'@'ctlmantis.ctl.creaf.com' (using password: YES) )18:20
nuclear_eclipsetry installing without specifying an admin username/password18:21
harpreet_singhmore error's18:25
nuclear_eclipsetry running admin/check.php to see if it finds any problems with your server18:26
harpreet_singhwait a minute18:27
harpreet_singhOpening connection to database [ctlmantis] on host [localhost] with username [mysql]  = BAD18:28
harpreet_singhhi18:32
mantisbotNew bug: Bug 10403 - hucker - open - new18:39
mantisbotNew bug: The legend on JPGraph graphs overlays the graph - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1040318:39
mantisbotNew bug: Bug 10404 - ygirouard - open - new18:44
mantisbotNew bug: PHP Error when exporting bug list to CSV while using custom fields - http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=1040418:44
harpreet_singhhi18:54
harpreet_singhcan some one tell me what are the correct settings for the mysql18:54
harpreet_singhCan't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (13).18:55
nuclear_eclipseask your webhost18:55
harpreet_singhthis is a local server..18:55
nuclear_eclipsethen look at the documentation for your operating system and/or mysql installation18:57
twolfyharpreet_singh, which operation system?19:04
twolfyand how did you set up your MySQL daemon?19:04
twolfyhl me if you're around19:05
harpreet_singhI just untar the file19:05
harpreet_singhDoes administrative user have access to the database? ( Access denied for user 'mysql'@'ctlmantis.ctl.creaf.com' (using password: YES) )19:05
twolfyfirst, which operation system?19:06
twolfywindows / linux (which distribution?)19:06
harpreet_singhRedhat u19:06
twolfyoaky, did you install mysql "the redhat way"?19:07
harpreet_singhRedhat 4 2.6.9-55.ELsmp << Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 4 (Nahant Update 5) >>19:07
harpreet_singhno19:07
twolfyokay19:07
twolfymysql is started?19:07
twolfynetstat -plutn | grep mysql19:07
harpreet_singhtcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:3306                0.0.0.0:*                   LISTEN      5794/mysqld19:08
twolfythen you should see if the daemon listen to a special port19:08
twolfyokay fine19:08
twolfyso try a "mysql -u root"19:08
twolfyon console19:08
twolfydoes it result in a promt?19:09
harpreet_singhERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)19:09
twolfyokay19:09
harpreet_singhI tried from the ssh session.19:09
harpreet_singhwait let me do from the console19:09
twolfywithin your ssh-session19:09
twolfythat should be right19:09
twolfyI assume, that the mysql server is installed on the remote server?19:10
harpreet_singhsame error on the console too19:10
twolfyokay19:10
harpreet_singhI am heaving a single server only19:10
harpreet_singhinstalled on VMWare19:10
twolfyso you already set a password19:10
harpreet_singhyes19:11
twolfyso try it with mysql -u root -p19:11
twolfyyou will be prompt for a password19:11
harpreet_singhno19:11
harpreet_singhbye this way I can login19:11
twolfyto mysql?19:11
twolfywhich use did you use?19:12
harpreet_singh mysql -uroot -palltime,19:12
twolfyplease, don't post passwords on IRC :)19:12
harpreet_singhoh.. sorry..19:12
twolfynp19:12
harpreet_singhmysql -uroot -p19:13
harpreet_singhgive the password and it works.19:13
twolfyokay, then mantis should be able to connect to mysql as root19:13
twolfybut, if you like to use another user...19:13
harpreet_singhseems some issue while connecting to host19:13
twolfywhere is the mantis-installation located?19:13
twolfyon the same server as your mysql?19:14
harpreet_singhyes19:14
twolfyokay19:14
twolfywait a minute19:14
harpreet_singhno problem19:14
twolfytype in the ssh-session: php -m | grep mysql19:15
twolfyso we will look, if php has the mysql plugin19:15
harpreet_singhgot it = mysql19:15
twolfyokay, that's fine19:16
twolfyhmm, okay - let's connect to your mysql19:16
twolfyas root19:16
twolfyvia console19:16
twolfy(ssh session)19:16
twolfyso log in with mysql -u root -p19:16
twolfyand your pw19:16
harpreet_singheven here i am connected via root19:17
twolfyokay19:17
twolfytype: use mysql19:17
twolfyand after that:19:17
twolfyselect User, Host from user\G19:17
twolfyto see which users are installed19:17
twolfydon't post it here19:18
twolfyit's just for you19:18
twolfyso you should see some root-users, right?19:18
twolfyis there a user "root" with host "%" or "ctlmantis.ctl.creaf.com"?19:19
harpreet_singhyes... root = ctlmantis.ctl.creaf.com , 127.0.0.1 and root =localhost19:19
harpreet_singhyes19:19
twolfyokay19:19
twolfytype:19:19
twolfyFLUSH PRIVILEGES;19:20
twolfyquit19:20
harpreet_singhok19:20
twolfyand you will be disconnected from mysql19:20
harpreet_singhyes I am root >19:20
twolfynow on console mysql -h ctlmantis.ctl.creaf.com -u root -p19:21
twolfyand try it again19:21
twolfythere is a "quick" way to reset mysql19:22
harpreet_singhit is prompting for password19:22
twolfyokay, so type it19:23
twolfyyour root password19:23
twolfyas before19:23
harpreet_singhgot an error19:23
twolfyokay, but mysql -u root -p19:24
twolfyworks?19:24
twolfyif you don't mind - we are able to reset your complete mysql installation19:24
twolfyso no pw is set19:24
harpreet_singhERROR 1045 (2800): Access denied for user 'root'@'ctlmantis.ctl.creaf.com using password = YES19:24
twolfywithout -h19:25
twolfyonly mysql -u root -p19:25
harpreet_singhsure.. I have no concern19:25
twolfyokay19:25
twolfywait a minute19:25
twolfycd /var/lib/19:26
twolfy /etc/init.d/mysql stop19:26
twolfyplease type those comands19:26
twolfyif stop, success19:26
twolfyplease say it19:27
harpreet_singhno got an error19:27
harpreet_singhaccess denied for user 'root'@'localhost19:27
harpreet_singhcan I kill the process19:27
twolfyhmm but only an kill <pid>19:28
twolfyno -9!19:28
twolfyI'll save your mysql-db if possible :)19:28
twolfyps -ef | grep mysql19:29
harpreet_singhok19:29
twolfydone?19:29
harpreet_singhroot      5714  4036  0 02:50 pts/1    00:00:00 /bin/sh ./bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql19:29
harpreet_singhmysql     5794  5714  0 02:50 pts/1    00:00:01 /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld --basedir=/usr/local/mysql --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --log-error=/var/lib/mysql/ctlmantis.ctl.creaf.com.err --open-files-limit=8192 --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --socket=/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock19:29
twolfyokay, not done :)19:29
twolfyhmm, first kill mysql_safe19:30
twolfykill 571419:30
harpreet_singhdone19:30
twolfyps -ef | grep mysql19:30
twolfydoes it shows mysqld_safe anymore?19:30
harpreet_singhmysql     5794     1  0 02:50 pts/1    00:00:01 /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld --basedir=/usr/local/mysql --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --log-error=/var/lib/mysql/ctlmantis.ctl.creaf.com.err --open-files-limit=8192 --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --socket=/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock19:30
harpreet_singhno19:30
twolfyfine19:30
twolfykill 579419:31
twolfynow19:31
harpreet_singhdone19:31
twolfyand mysql should also be gone19:31
twolfyplease check if it's gone19:31
harpreet_singhyes19:31
harpreet_singhroot      5878  5334  0 03:27 pts/2    00:00:00 grep mysql19:31
twolfyperfec19:31
twolfyt19:31
twolfyso the command "pwd" will show /var/lib/?19:31
harpreet_singhyes19:32
twolfymv mysql mysql.backup19:32
twolfythat's the comand you need :)19:32
twolfyafter that: mysql_install_db19:32
harpreet_singhdone19:32
twolfyalso the mysql_install_db one?19:33
harpreet_singhI have only on dir mysql that one we have moved to mysql.backup19:34
twolfyright19:34
twolfyand after that type: mysql_install_db19:34
harpreet_singhnot found19:34
twolfyis there something similar?19:35
harpreet_singhno19:35
harpreet_singhI have installed my mysql in /usr/local/mysql19:35
twolfyah okay19:36
twolfyso there is a /usr/local/mysql/bin/?19:36
harpreet_singhyes19:36
twolfyfine switch to it19:37
twolfycd /usr/local/mysql/bin/19:37
twolfyand type ./mysql_install_db19:37
harpreet_singhI dont have this file19:37
twolfyuh?19:37
harpreet_singhmysql_secure_installation is it this one..19:38
twolfyhmm, may be you should use your distributors packages...19:38
twolfyhmm, haven't heard it before19:38
harpreet_singhmysql-5.1.34-linux-i686-icc-glibc2319:38
harpreet_singhI have used this file.19:39
twolfyhmm19:39
twolfyyour distributor provides mysql packages19:39
twolfyyou should use them19:39
harpreet_singhno I have downloaded from the site.19:39
twolfyyes, I know19:40
twolfybut you shouldn't :)19:40
harpreet_singhI have on the Redhat CD's19:40
twolfyhmm, you're trying to install a mysql 5.1.34 on a 2.6.9er kernel?19:41
twolfythe system is realy old19:41
twolfythere are some easy to set up systems19:42
twolfywith mysql, apache, php and so on19:42
harpreet_singhno issue.. I will follow you19:42
twolfyyou should switch to them19:42
twolfyif you require something redhat-like, use fedora19:43
twolfya new version19:43
twolfyand install mysql, apache and php with your package-manager19:43
twolfyso they are preconfigured19:43
twolfyand you can start using them19:43
harpreet_singhoh.. we dont use fedora in our office.19:43
twolfybut redhat right?19:44
harpreet_singhonly RedHat...19:44
twolfyfedora is similar19:44
harpreet_singhok.19:44
twolfyit's the community edition19:44
twolfyof redhat19:44
harpreet_singhI can try on other setup19:44
twolfythat would be good19:44
Billgiallu are you listening?19:45
harpreet_singhyes.19:45
harpreet_singhso now what I have to do for the mysql19:45
twolfyinstall the version of your distibutor19:46
twolfyredhat19:46
harpreet_singhok19:46
gialluyo19:46
Billhey how are you ?19:46
giallutrying to let babies fall asleep...19:46
BillI am still trying to make this import issue plug in work I found the dtd and I made my xml file look like that but it doesn't import the record19:46
Billahhh my youngest baby is 17 I don't care if they sleep lol19:47
twolfy:)19:47
harpreet_singhha ha19:47
Billbut of course that's all they do lol19:47
gialluBill, about the format19:47
twolfyand some parties ^^19:47
Billyes19:47
gialludid you try exporting a couple issues?19:48
BillI don't mind the parties lol19:48
gialluso you can copycat?19:48
BillI didn't know you could export them where do you do that?19:48
Billduh lol19:48
gialluin the view issues page19:48
harpreet_singhinstallation in the progress.19:49
gialluwhen you activate the plugin, there is a new export format along with excel, word etc19:49
Billok an xml format?19:49
* giallu hopes somehow the documentation will write itself...19:49
gialluyeah19:49
harpreet_singhokey19:50
harpreet_singhit is finished19:50
* nuclear_eclipse also wishes documentation would write itself 19:50
Billokay I found it awesome let me try this I appreciate your help19:50
Billif you want me to sing the babies to sleep I'm good at that LOL19:50
gialluthanks it seems they are quiet now...19:51
twolfyso mysql is running again harpreet_singh ?19:51
Billgiallu when I get this working I'll pen something in an outline and you can fill in the blanks! talk to you later about that19:51
Billhave a nice weekend19:51
gialluBill, would be wonderful19:52
giallureally19:52
BillI know19:52
BillI will it may take a couple of weeks but I'll get to it19:52
harpreet_singhhello19:52
twolfywow, the plugin-management is new in 1.2.0a - right?20:05
nuclear_eclipseyep20:05
twolfynice :)20:05
twolfyhmm how should the "template" folder be called? I actually called it "public"20:31
twolfybecause it's possible to make it as "DocumentRoot" and running your mantis20:32
twolfy(when I'm finished :)20:32
nuclear_eclipsetwolfy: look on the mailing list for a recent discussion of templates20:32
twolfyso everthing else is "behind the wall"20:32
twolfyokay20:33
gialluoh, just found mantis integrated here: http://jasperforge.org/projects/ireport/bugtracking/myview20:50
gialluit's even more advanced than our own code20:51
gialluhttp://jasperforge.org/projects/ireport/bugtracking/viewissue has voting20:51
twolfyhmm, I've a different set up as millaims20:52
paul_.20:52
twolfyalso his Template-System is like smarty :)20:52
paul_twolfy: hi20:53
twolfyhmm, I would keep on developing and in a few days, I'll show you what I've done and then there could be a decision20:54
twolfyhi paul_20:54
twolfybtw. I'm using github (mbtoo project)20:54
twolfyif someone likes to follow :)20:55
paul_did you look at jquery today?20:55
twolfyI started with smarty, after that I have an overview20:55
twolfy(it's the first time I hacked on mantis)20:55
twolfyso I first need an overview of the codebase20:56
twolfybut what I already saw, it shouldn't be that difficult to switch to jquery20:56
twolfycurrently, nothing is broken!20:58
twolfyand it already uses some smarty parts20:59
twolfyand I'm replacing html_api.php :)20:59
nuclear_eclipsetwolfy: please make sure that whatever you're doing, you keep in mind the plugin system...21:00
twolfysure21:00
paul_personally, I think templates a lot less interesting than plugins21:00
twolfypaul_, right21:01
twolfybut I like to work on templates / user-intreface21:01
twolfyinterface21:01
paul_5:39 < nuclear_eclipse> twolfy: you don't need to argue that templates are a good idea, we're generally onboard with that; we just don't feel it's as important as the other things we are trying to get implemented...21:09
paul_nuclear_eclipse: you forget about me :)21:09
CIA-11Mantisbt: s.mazeland * r023b3027d3d5 /lang/ (36 files): Localisation updates from http://translatewiki.net (2009-04-24 20:55 UTC)21:11
twolfy:)21:13
paul_well, one of the things I think we should avoid doing is slowing stuff down with templates21:14
paul_as most people wont change a template21:14
paul_slowing stuff down = slower php / more ram require / more fopen() etc calls to filesystem21:15
twolfyright21:17
twolfyI plan to speed things up with smarty :)21:17
twolfybut I'll tell you my plan, if it would be real :)21:17
paul_I doubt that's feasible ;p21:17
paul_btw,21:17
paul_i'll warn you now21:17
twolfy??21:18
paul_i've spent time to replace "foo" with 'foo' across parts of the codebase21:18
paul_as "foo" is slower than 'foo' in php21:18
twolfy:) I know21:18
twolfybut not that much21:18
paul_22:20 < paul_> i've spent time21:18
twolfyand not in every case :)21:18
paul_:p21:18
twolfy:)21:18
paul_only time is when it's "$foo" or something21:18
twolfyright21:19
paul_and '' . $foo . '' might be slower than "$foo"21:19
paul_but you'll notice i make the odd commit to replace:21:19
paul_for ($i = 0; $i < count(3); $i++)21:20
paul_to read21:20
twolfy++$i is a lot faster21:20
paul_$j = 3; for$i =0 ; $i < 321:20
twolfyin php :)21:20
twolfyalso don't use the function count() within for ^^21:20
paul_exactly21:21
paul_$x++ is faster21:21
paul_actually21:22
paul_it varies21:22
twolfyactualy the smarty is able to avoid the lang_get() calls - I've implemented a replacement for it - without loosing functionality21:22
paul_lang_get itself isn't that *slow*21:23
twolfyno21:23
harpreet_singhhi21:23
twolfybut it's one point :)21:23
twolfyalso it requires a function-call - now nevermore21:23
paul_you might find what your trying doesn't work though21:25
paul_(lang_get tends to deal with if your running stuff as a different user21:26
paul_bbiab21:28
twolfywhy should lang_get depending on the user?21:28
paul_if your calling it for an email21:30
paul_you might be sending an email to a user with a different language21:30
twolfythat would be okay21:30
twolfyit doesn't affect my changes21:31
twolfyI haven't replaced lang_get - only the template system is using it in "another way" :)21:31
nuclear_eclipsepaul_: I didn't forget you at all, hence the "we're generally onboard"21:49
nuclear_eclipsebesides, you were the one that wanted templates just to be able to better arrange the table of fields after disabling some of them, remember? ;)21:49
harpreet_singhhi twolfy22:05
harpreet_singhit is working now22:05
twolfynice22:08
twolfysorry - was away22:08
twolfyso, now I got to go - will be back on tuesday22:09
twolfyhave a nice weekend everyone!22:10
twolfybye bye22:10
paul_nuclear_eclipse: no22:11
paul_nuclear_eclipse: i wanted the ability to customise via the UI the order of the fields22:12
paul_that's not 'templates' ;)22:12

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